It's time to attempt to codify Arto; to put a category onto an artist who exemplifies "difficult to categorize". We're here to label him; not as a soft digestible pop snack but as the international musical adventurer we would all like to be. Alas, we're not all as charming, intelligent, fearless and pleasure seeking as Arto Lindsay. A great idea man who leads with his heart, Arto is not afraid to take the outside road wherever it may lead, crossing the traditional boundaries of class, culture, genre and nation.

Mundo Civilizado is the second album in a series of albums that couple Arto's love for Brazilian music with his passion for the new and exciting in the international rhythms of pop. For Arto, a man with no shortage of underground/avant cred, there's risk involved in making music for a world larger than the hipster enclaves of downtown New York. At the risk of alienating some purists, Arto is engaging us in a dialog about a new kind of pop music. On Mundo Civilizado, Arto manages to slip with ease from Bossa Nova balladeering to illbient mixes to Drum 'n Bass beats. This time he's added in a couple of interesting cover choices in Al Green's "Simply Beautiful" and Prince's "Erotic City." And then there's Hyper Civilizado, the companion album of re-mixes, scheduled for a release in July on Gramavision. It's a lot of stylistic territory. But above it all, this really is pop music in the larger sense.

Arto has always seemed like an elder statesman, even when he was a youngster fronting DNA, one of the premier outfits of the No-Wave scene. Compared to counterparts Lydia Lunch or James Chance, Arto came across as some kind of re-discovered blues hollerer who had invented the form thirty years previous. "When I started out," he reports to us, "I thought making the most extreme noise you could make would be the quickest way to stardom."

Nearly two decades later, Arto pursues a litany of ideas and projects with unflagging energy. To this end we are at the Kampo Center, a Japanese institution for the arts in Noho, New York City. The center has a theater, workshops on brush painting and a recording studio that Arto has turned into a second home, where he has been working daily from one in the afternoon to one in the morning for the last couple of months. Already the activity is in full swing; a constantly ringing telephone, Arto speaking Portuguese to someone in Brazil, and ever graciously making the rounds of introductions. His manager Steve Cohen is organizing plans for journalists to visit, while arranging for a musician to fly in from who knows where. Arto is smoking cigarettes, hugging people, greeting visitors with surprise as the elevator doors open.

We want to understand what's motivating Arto these days. How does he approach song writing? "When I write as personally as I can it often comes out sounding really abstract. I like writing that sounds casual, but I also like writing that rips words apart. I like echoes between languages. I like finding feelings in words, not putting feelings into words."

There are production projects in the works, an Italian singer, a track to produce in Brazil, a Japanese model turned pop star who wants to work with Arto. Pat Dillett, a gifted producer in his own right (They Might Be Giants, Geggy Tah) is on board to mix this new recording. He comes in and casually mentions a completely novel concept he's developing for a multi-artist album. Musicians are wheeling in gear, effects racks and Surdos -- huge drums that Arto has brought back from Brazil. Producer Andres Levin (who has worked on everything from Chaka Khan to Diana Ross to David Byrne) is coming up with percussion ideas for a track they're currently calling "Benjamin". There are discussions of new bands that interest Arto, new gallery shows going up. He's writing a song with Laurie Anderson that may end up on the next album, which he's already finishing even as Mundo Civilizado is about to come out.

This new set of songs is being finished up at Kampo for release in Japan late this year. Money is time, time is money and the exchange rate with Japan has gone from 80 yen to the dollar, when he was making his first album, to the current 125 yen to the dollar. The recording budget is coming from Japan, so he's got to work faster! "Man I just wish we could speed up the time it takes to get my releases out. We had jungle beats and drum and bass stuff out in Japan last year, but before you know it Everything But the Girl came out and David Bowie did his record." He's moving as fast as he can!

"I want to keep recording, struggling with all my contradictions and desires and to keep making albums. My production work allows me the luxury of working on my own stuff. I've been spending so much time working around the world I'm glad for the chance to get a bit more centered in New York." So while we get ready for Mundo Civilizado, Arto's focused on the next one. "This one is going to be my Sgt. Pepper," he says. We anxiously await it!

Mundo Civilizado players:

Melvin Gibbs -

bass (Rollins Band)

Andres Levin -

keyboards, co-producer

DJ Spooky -

samples, textures

Peter Scherer -

keyboards (Ambitious Lovers)

Vinicius Cantuaria -

guitars, percussion

Romero Lubambo -

guitars

Dougie Bowne -

drum loops (Lounge Lizards, Iggy Pop, Chris Whitley)

Mutamassik -

samples (NY Dj)

Don Byron -

bass clarinet

Jacques Morelenbaum -

cello (Antonio Carlos Jobim, Ryuichi Sakamoto, etc.)

Amadeo Pace -

guitar (Blonde Redhead)

Bernie Worrell -

organ (Parliament/Funkadelic, Talking Heads, etc.)

Roy Nathanson -

sax (Jazz Passengers)

Marcus Rojas -

tuba

 

Brazilian percussionists (recorded in Salvador, Bahia):

Gustavo de Dalva, Boghan, Marcio Tchin

Previously from Bar/None: The Subtle Body/O Corpo Sutil (BRN-CD-078)
Coming in July on Gramavision: Hyper Civilizado -- remixes (GCD/GLP 79519)

Recent productions:

• David Byrne/Marisa Monte track "Waters of March" for Red Hot and Rio album.
• Marisa Monte's A Great Noise live two record set with accompanying video. Certified gold in Brazil. EMI Records
• Taeko Onuki (EMI/Japan) - tracks for vocalist's album
• Taro Hakase (Epic/Sony). Full album for Japanese violinist
• Miki Nakatani (For Life/Japan). Tracks for vocalist.

Arto and band (M. Gibbs, A. Levin, V. Cantuaria, M. Veloso, B. Perowsky) toured Japan in November '96. Tours of Europe and Japan planned for autumn '97.

Future projects:

• Full length dance piece for Amanda Miller and Pretty Ugly Dance Co.
• An Evening at the Queen Elizabeth Hall (June 25, 1997) as part of the Meltdown Festival, curated this year by Laurie Anderson. (The two are writing a song together as well.)
• Music theater piece to be premiered at Expo '98 in Lisbon, Portugal.
• A Stadium show for Expo '98
• Developing a recording studio in Salvador, Bahia (Brazil) with Carlinhos Brown.